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so many photographers -- including some of the most popular on dA -- appear to use photo manipulation of their in-camera RAW work ... to give themselves style.  yet ... instead of putting their work in "photomanipulation" it goes in whatever photographic gallery they want.  are they manipulating their work?  what the viewer thinks is a photograph?  or both?

it's one thing to make a photo.

it's another to have "style."

not stylized photos but photographic style.

i've seen landscapes that CANNOT be achieved any other way but by intense manipulation or "enhancement" as those who aren't in the "real world" call it.

i've seen skin tones and lighting ... which cannot be achieved any other way but by manipulation.

all of that said ... one of the best is this retoucher.  look at the relevant section.  do some mouse-over's on some of the examples.

so ... i ask ... if you make a mundane photo which almost anyone with any photographic knowledge can make ... and you give it to a retoucher ...

is it your style or is it the retoucher's style?

yeah, i know ... film people can do all sorts of things to their negs or chromes or whatever.

there are great examples of both digital and film shooters who deviate from what's was "actually recorded" to sensor or film.

i think it would be great when the day comes ...

when included in the exif information we see every single step, every single layer, every single everything ...

and i think that most will be surprised at how much "work" or "manipulation" is included in some of the most popular work in cough-cough ... the photography sections.

i think that if we looked at actual RAW files ... of some of the photographic gods (in both the real world and dA) ... we'd all be surprised as hell.

i know that editors have showed me the RAW files from some very well-known shooters here in LA ... and my respect for said photographers ... well ...

lets just say ... my respect level went down several notches. ;)

happens in the real world.

happens at dA.

because ... dA is far from the real world ...

but ... that line between what is acceptable in the real world ... and dA ... is starting to blur.

a real blur.

not a fake one. ;)

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:iconmudgey:
i think there needs to be a manip section of da.. or just be able to add the fact it has been. if u put it in the manip section then theres not as many section such as transport etc. like the straight up photography section.
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:iconblackzer0:
That's food for thought, man. Makes me rethink things.
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:icondarthmarlan:
If I do more than just a bit of levels etc etc etc. i generally put in the description what has been done, ie, tweaked curves, selective colour adjustment etc, but yeah i am sure a lot of people would be surprised as to how much post-work goes into a lot of things :)
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:iconcweeks:
i'm sure there are some on dA who are "photo gods" ...

and if the viewers really knew how much "post work" goes into their material ...

they'd be shocked!
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:iconetspangler:
Crap!!!

I am sitting here crying my little eyeballs out cause I just figured out I am a photo manipulator.

I have dishonered my family and my nation.

I must commit Sepuku now!

I ask that you honor me by being my kaishakunin (second)

(you get to cut my head off, don't worry I have a really sharp sword for you to use.)
*laughs*

Have a nice day
and for god sakes go manipulate someone.

Later
Lunitic Bodhisattva
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:iconnl2377:
Damn... That's just insane. There are definately a few of mine that should be in the photo manips section after reading this... but those are mostly back from my digital days...

Damn....
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:icondasens:
couldn't agree more, i really do think there's the need to establish a clear difference between real photography or photoshopography, and as much as i enjoy some of the "magic" some people can work on an image, i just don't find it right or even fair to see it among real photography works.
People who manip photographs and achieve great results, have nothing to be ashamed of, they do deserve their credit, just not amoung the photography cattegory, that's why photomanip catt. is there for.
And its important that people who actually have influence on communities, start to make a point about it.
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:icontommyna:
Mister Weeks,

I couldn't agree more with you, that's why I always wanted that the outcome of my photographic world is just the way my eyes sees it...
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:iconsimba:
Once again, you have hit the nail on the head. Nicely stated. *cough cough* :giggle:

Have a good one. I am once again looking at your pieces ... any new stuff I should see?

Have a great holiday buddy. LA is overcast? Hell, it snowed here this morning ... after the 80 degree week. Crazy jetstream.

Hide some eggs for B and C. And get J something nice for her basket. ;-)
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