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Mon Apr 13, 2009, 5:06 PM
  • Listening to: lily allen
  • Drinking: espresso
so ... after much consideration i've decided i will post new photos on my flickr page.  forgot what it was like to actually have to do an html tag.

updated the blog a new entry about the continued and flagrant bastardization of photography.  i'm sure those of you who think street should include hdr and multiple layers will probably get pissed off, then again, i've been over what the masses think on dA for quite some time. ;)

if you think the "street" in this shooter's portfolio of street (personal>street) is street, well, i'm sure you won't agree with me.  and ... if you do the same, you have gone from "photographer" to "photo illustrator."  nothing wrong with that as long as you don't lie about it.

kudos to the dA staff for making my page spam-free for like the last couple months.  2, in fact.

although i'm not submitting here, i still read comments and notes and appreciate the devwatches, favourites, etc., etc.

hope you're all doing quite well!

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crystaldisplay Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2009  Student
joey l's work would be so much better if his photos weren't 50% photoshop. i'm not sure why he calls those photos street either, because they're portraits.. taken in the street. they're good portraits, but they couldn't be in the category of street photography.

..well i shouldn't really judge, since every time i try to take street-like photos, they look awful. i get scared to take photos of people hah.
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contains-mild-peril Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2009  Professional Photographer
Be interesting to see where Joel L will be in a years time when someone creates the photoshop action he uses and gives it away free on the internet.

I mean it's all very well being the cool kid on the block, but someone cooler will be along before long. And they'll probably have richer parents so can work for free...

Regarding the RAW files it's quite good to see how weak the composition is prior to editing. All a bit loose I thought.

But then as the old saying goes, you can't polish a turd. Or perhaps you can, but it'll still smell like a turd when you get close enough to see it.
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simba Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2009
Nice to see you up and around buddy. I'll check out the flikr posts. I've been resisting the urge to open an account there, but one day ... who knows. I just twitted, or tweeted, or twatted for the first time this weekend, so i don't wanna expose myself to too much change all at once. ;)

Take care my friend. Hugs to B.
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equivoque Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2009
chris, the way they made your page spam free completely fucked up web statistics everywhere. now one can no longer see, for instance, that traffic came to a site because it was linked to from [link]. no, now it all shows up as coming from the "outgoing" web page of deviantart. how lame is that? so while they fixed something internally, they essentially rendered useless statistic gathering from web analyzers' point of view everywhere.
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cweeks Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2009
i'm just not that interested in dA stats. ;)
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kelceyolson Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2009
Uhhh he calls that street? It's just like portraits, nothing too candid about it. Last time I checked the people aren't supposed to sit around and look right into the camera.
Also, that much editing is ridiculous. Ya sure I'll edit some photos when adding layers and everything, but I don't say it looked like that in-camera or close. Ugh, it just reminds me of the photography class I'm taking in high school right now. My teacher said "You can take a bad picture and make it great in Photoshop!"
Everyone in the class knows more about how to use Photoshop then to work a camera. It's disappointing :[
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vspecialk Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2009
you got yourselef a flickr account.no kidding? :oops:

did you read my reply to your mail?;)
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cweeks Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2009
what email? the iphone tends to delete shit. :(

bastards.
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vspecialk Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2009
bastards!:oops:
check your DA inbox then
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grubernd Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2009
robert frank called. he wants his americans back.

personally i wouldnt call it "street" either.

but then i heard they do landscape images with formats smaller than 8x10". some even handheld. does that make it something else? like "earth documentary"instead of "landscape"?

i know you like your purist way, but let the kids have some fun and define the world like it has never been. that's what robert frank did anyway, back in the days, when landscape was still landscape and street didnt exist. ;)
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lightman-73 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2009  Hobbyist Photographer
So, by your comment on formats smaller than 8x10", I guess Galen Rowell isn't landscape. Interesting.

As for Joeyl "street", it has nothing to do with street photography.
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lightman-73 Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2009  Hobbyist Photographer
Ok, point taken with Rowell being first an adventure and mountaineering photographer ;).

Let me try again ;) : Art Wolfe, Jim Brandenburg, William Neill, and Dewitt Jones (but I could name more). All NatGeo photographers, all landscape (as well as nature in general, and maybe in the case of Wolfe nature in particular) photographers, all using (primarily, as far as I know) 35mm :).

Sure, maybe they're neither landscape-only nor the classical "grand"-landscape photographers a-la Adams, Muench, Cornish, Dykinga or Clifton, but they're still landscape photographers (should we call their style "intimate"-landscape, maybe ?).


As far as Joey L definition of "street" goes, I guess you could be right, but then he should maybe call it "street people", instead of simply "street" ;).
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grubernd Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2009
galen rowell was first and foremost an adventure and mountaineering photographer. well, naturally there is a lot of landscape around the places he visited. so he snapped some of those. ;)

and maybe it is "street" as in "portraits of people living in the streets", so i see where joeyl got the name for the category on his homepage. street not being the old puristic label, but both the location and the living place of the people he took pictures of.
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cweeks Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2009
you're funny.

i don't think you need to use an 8x10 to do landscape. i quite like it with the iphone.

thing is ... sure .. let the kids do it the way they want but ... we can't trust what they saw as reality. they're presenting a reality that existed as their perception.

and street is a bad name for the genre it should be "human condition" so the curators understand what we're talking about. they equate street with something wholly puerile. ;)
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multix Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2009  Hobbyist Photographer
I completely agree with you Chris, I'm sick of those manipulated images.
People should just shoot slides sometimes. To tricks. No manipulation at all.

Still, as a side note, I want to know how he did the manipulation of the Haiti landscape, I need something akin for certain aerial images i take and have not found a good way in Photoshop to remove haze. (Back in SGI days there was a tool with a dial "haze", just turn it and it would add and remove... amazing)
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cweeks Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2009
would love to see the photo illustrators go on "film probation" and see how good they are.

removal of haze? hmm... dunno, mate.
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multix Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2009  Hobbyist Photographer
hehe "photo illustrators". I Would do like "you can choose between Tri-X and Provia". Take yours.

He did remov haze (together with many other manipulations). It is no fun anymore to see these reportages, everything is so fake, surreal. The point is I guess just to impress.
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cweeks Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2009
we need to put these faux-photographers on film probation. ;)

fuck those reportages ... it's more of an opinion than a photograph.
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Cyril-Helnwein Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2009  Professional Photographer
Love! your photo of smoking Lynch.

Read your blog but too lazy to make an account to comment, so just wanted to say you took the words out of my mouth on that subject.

The thing that scares me the most about modern "photography", is when I eavesdrop on someone describing my work to their friend, and I hear them explain how I used layers, masks and a whole bunch of other PS bs I don't even know how to use. haha!
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cweeks Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2009
thanks, man!

too lazy! you're hilarious. comment, man, don't be lazy.

anyone looking at your work would know you don't do layers. then again, most out there have no idea what they're looking at unless, of course, it's layer after layer of textures and fake bokeh.

i didn't hear anyone say that the other night or i would have corrected them. fyi.
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MyPrivateParty Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2009
pretty easy*
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MyPrivateParty Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2009
If you think street only consists of photos of shabby/homeless individuals, then that street portfolio is great as well. Sort of a mute point, but it's pretty to snag a shot when you wave 5 bucks in the air.....and there's my two cents.
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cweeks Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2009
perhaps that's the way he sees humanity or the human condition, no?

seriously, that guy's "street" sucks to high hell.
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axrai Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2009
ahh so glad to see your journal! miss reading your entries.

I truly enjoyed the article that you posted.Made me laugh specially this part where the dude says:

"In my opinion, a RAW file (RAW, NEF, DNG, CR2, etc..) has nothing to do with reality and I do not think you can judge the finished image and the use of Photoshop by looking at the RAW file",

I believe a heavily worked up photoshopped face,things has nothing to do with reality.

its sad that the camera has stopped being the main tool in capturing anything. These people look at the camera as a secondary component(with photoshop being the primary tool that is in their opinion). It really is sad man. Its so hard to even go through the photography section in DA.

haha now I ve got that off my chest and am feeling all better.Hope all is well in LA!:hug:
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ashigaru Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2009  Professional General Artist
Good to see you here my friend! Sure do miss our discussions!
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FixMeKnow Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2009
omg it's still alive. :o
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PaulaMCollins Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2009  Hobbyist Photographer
Thanks for joeyl link (Fantastic!)
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MongmonghI Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2009
nice to see you are still around ;) you got character something that lacks these days
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Gonzale Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2009  Professional Photographer
joeyl makes me think of this guy : *BenoitPaille
for the old people in detail kind of photos.
il reminds me also of lorca di corcia... except it looks fake and staged.. the flash portraits anyway.
close ups of beggars... bad bad taste.
but i'm sure he sells a lotta pictures. buyers llluuuuvv photoshop.
two years ago when i went to this art photo feast, the one that sold the most was ruud van empel [link] and god knows he uses a hell lot of photoshop. i'm still wondering why it's considered as photography.

anyway. as long as some of us know what the limits are and stick to what we believe photography is, they can do whatever they want, i've given up on trying to moralise people who don't think like me.
if they're happy with what they do.
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woopidoo2 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2009
Ruud van Empel's work is.. strange. He combined all these photographic elements together, which seems to interest lots of people that buy his stuff.

His ';photos' dont do anything to me, I guess I'm not seeing the art in his work :hmm:
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Gonzale Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2009  Professional Photographer
he does a lot of editing on them as well...

yeah i only see a reference to the douanier rousseau's work, and i see it as pretty bad taste. this, not rousseau.

they don't do anything to me either !
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JacquiVanGrootel Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2009  Student
wow.. not street.
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lkopuz Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2009  Professional Photographer
hey mate,i'm thinking that you should make ready a photo-book or sth like that..but then it's not gonna be commercial totally that you don't like to choose already..

some ideas can be developed as you know..i know this area -i mean internet- too much useful and enough to publish but in the future that i think system will be changed..books will always..forget about fahrenheit 451..

btw you have no time for this occupation i still know..but..anyway..

cheers !! :)
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viewtiful0 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2009
According to Joey L. street photography means HDR portraits.... Outside in a city...

As for the photo of the year entries, they are just ugly.
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micdt Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2009
At first, some time ago, I thought JoeyL was quite cool - some of the reportage photos especially. Then I saw what he does to his shots and how.

but I still find it a bit tragic that he rapes his photos. he is not that bad after all. as often: less would be more...

and CU on flickr, mate! ;)
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radol Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2009
obviously it's not street- all of them are staged and photoshopped. but still they were made on the street, haha
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rstcg Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2009  Professional Photographer
great, flickr needs more quality photos.

about your earlier blog post, I also hate that word (someone actually told me that some pictures needed more "bokeh effect") seriously... "bokeh effect"... I've had a couple of "discussions" about this kid joey L, I wish I could go to the places where he's been lately, and photograph the fuck out of those places, but no, he's not a photographer per se, he's a young man with mad photoshop skills, cool gear and nice P.R.

period.

good for him though.

take care, nice posts lately btw.
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sevenwillow Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2009  Professional General Artist
nice to see you again, Chris, if only for a moment. :) I miss your journals here! ha I am rarely here any more but it is nice to see your name in my hundreds of piled up journals to read. (I delete more than I read now lol) Cheers from COLD Northern Cali.
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biumbiumbambalo Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2009
The problem is, definition of street photography nowadays, is no more than absurd.. it's all because many of those HCB`ish turn into HDR`ish.. F**k them all! hehe :)
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cweeks Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2009
"it's all because many of those HCB`ish turn into HDR`ish.. F**k them all! hehe"

best quote all day, mate.
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biumbiumbambalo Featured By Owner May 5, 2009
HAHA, no worries mate! cheer up dA kids! :)
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Rastislav Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2009
Well the fact that I still have much trouble getting used to my 5d... and always going back to my F3 would kind of hint you of my feelings towards the so called street link :). I have nothing against people who use programs like Photoshop and develop their ideas... into whatever they want to develop them. I do however agree that its not street photography.
Still, I think he does have talent... I'm just not to big of a fan of overworked images, somewhere there was a feeling now all that those layers of photoshop have done is turn it into fastfood... for your 5sec viewing pleasure.

Thanks mate for the Vegas info... I had a great time with my Buds and will post some pics soon! Still waiting for the scans at the lab.

Take care!
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brenz89 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2009
I wouldn't call Joey L's street portfolio street... but I would call it very impressive portraiture. I don't believe the photographer means street photography in the traditional sense, but rather, pictures of people that you'd find on the street. He might take his editing a little bit too far... but damn, those are some striking images.
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epione Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2009  Hobbyist Photographer
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inacom Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2009  Professional Photographer
very interesting links, that you for posting them.
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inacom Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2009  Professional Photographer
*thank
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futurowoman Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2009   Photographer
Got our new print today and it's beautiful! thank you! :hug:
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cweeks Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2009
yeah!!!!! thank you guys so much!!!!!
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